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Dr. Strangem0nty: How I learned to stop bitching and love the sports
February 19th 2008, 23:50 CET by Greg

Cricket sucks! Football rules! Moar sports!

This was made in response to his post that the NFL season was over, so here's a new sports topic.
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#43 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 07:34:20
I guess if it was on the other end I'd still be sore.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#44 by McBain
2008-02-22 07:35:38
Seriously, man, what's up?

What do you mean?  You bring up an obviously sore spot in a completely unrelated fashion that doesn't respond to me in any meaningful way?  Oh, and big surprise, its annoying!

#45 by McBain
2008-02-22 07:36:23
I guess if it was on the other end I'd still be sore.

No shit?

#46 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 07:36:54
Well, again, they weren't going to win with Shawn Marion, so why not roll the dice? I didn't run out and buy a Shaq jersey and proclaim us the team to beat, but I don't think it's a bad shot.
#47 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 07:37:51
I don't know whats worse, losing the Super Bowl like that, or the blow out the Giants got back in 2000. There's something to be said of the blowout putting your team out of their misery quickly to somewhat soften the punch.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#48 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 07:39:36
What do you mean?  You bring up an obviously sore spot in a completely unrelated fashion that doesn't respond to me in any meaningful way?  Oh, and big surprise, its annoying![/url]
Unrelated. Again, if we look at the stats and numbers (which you were doing), the Pats should have won by 30. I wasn't doing it to pick on you, I was pointing out that then numbers don't always tell the whole story. I mean, hell, the Heat are 0-4 in games Marion has played in. Does that mean anything (other than the Heat are really shitty)?
#49 by McBain
2008-02-22 07:39:43
Well, again, they weren't going to win with Shawn Marion,

It's completely bewildering to me that you're so convinced of this.

#50 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 07:40:26
Urk.

What do you mean?  You bring up an obviously sore spot in a completely unrelated fashion that doesn't respond to me in any meaningful way?  Oh, and big surprise, its annoying!

Unrelated? Again, if we look at the stats and numbers (which you were doing), the Pats should have won by 30. I wasn't doing it to pick on you, I was pointing out that then numbers don't always tell the whole story. I mean, hell, the Heat are 0-4 in games Marion has played in. Does that mean anything (other than the Heat are really shitty)?
#51 by McBain
2008-02-22 07:41:57
Yot, this is one of those instances where you make me think you don't really understand how statistics work.

#52 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 07:42:45
McB-

Again, you said you've seen SOME Suns games this year. I've seen MOST. Marion, for all the good he does, has some serious holes. He can't create his own shot. He takes too many ill-advised threes. He has a history of disappearing in the playoffs. And he's been a locker room issue for the past three years. He's not content being #3. He's rather be #2 on a 9 win team than the number #3 option on a contender.
#53 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 07:44:49
Oh, I know how statistics work. I also know that in sports, there are many other factors that cancel them out.
#54 by G-Man
2008-02-22 07:47:33
He clearly doesn't. Remember those gambling odds discussions?
#55 by McBain
2008-02-22 07:48:01
Again, you said you've seen SOME Suns games this year. I've seen MOST.

It's as if actually watching the games some how changes the production of the players were talking about.  You and Joe Morgan should get a room.

Marion, for all the good he does, has some serious holes. He can't create his own shot. He takes too many ill-advised threes.

His win production is fucking great.

He has a history of disappearing in the playoffs.

Small sample size.  Similar to Super Bowls and Yankees/A-Rod series in that way.

And he's been a locker room issue for the past three years.

I'm not sure what that has to do with his win production, which is awesome.  I'm mostly concerned with what happens on the basketball court.

#56 by G-Man
2008-02-22 07:48:52
Then again, most people don't understand probability/statistics. Remember Jibble and the sample size wars of 2006?
#57 by Dingle
2008-02-22 07:49:54
mylifesazoo@gmail.com
I think this sums it all up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij738Q-wWmk
#58 by BobJustBob
2008-02-22 07:51:12
So what are you up to these days, G-Man? You never talk about yourself.

"I don't like story in games." - Soren Johnson
#59 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 07:51:36
What about mitigating factors of the team surrounding the player in basketball? Baseball is very much and individual sport WRT batting and pitching, but I don't know/care enough about basketball to know if there is any normalization for the team around the player.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#60 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 07:53:31
I know enough about probability and statistics to know they are boring as hell. My wife took a business statistics course and I thought that I could get into the text, but, ugh, no.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#61 by lwf
2008-02-22 07:54:02
Eli Manning is a pretty fucking bad QB statistically speaking, probably worse than Kurt Warner.

My name? Jones... Enema Bag Jones. Wii.
#62 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 07:55:34
He was pretty good during the playoffs though. A bunch of touchdowns and no INT's (that were his fault).

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#63 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 07:57:38
McBain-

We obviously don't look at sports the same way. His win production might be great, but ultimately, it resulted in 0 rings. This team was stagnant, and you could SEE IT. We've won 3 straight Pacific division titles, and that's it. This team was not going to go any farther the way it was. You might think the numbers show otherwise, but again, they don't tell the whole story.
#64 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:01:52
We obviously don't look at sports the same way.

I don't think there is much of anything we observe about the world similarly.

#65 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:02:41
And BTW, I do appreciate Shawn Marion and everything he brought to the team. The simple fact is that he didn't to be third fiddle to Nash and Amare, he asked to be traded in the preseason, and he was going to ask for Dwayne Wade money to resign here (3 years, $60 mil). He was here for nine years, and it was time for a change.
#66 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:03:10
I don't think there is much of anything we observe about the world similarly.

Thank goodness for that.
#67 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:04:48
But when you watch sports and you can SEE IT!!!! that's much more convincing.

#68 by lwf
2008-02-22 08:04:52
I like how McBain thinks athletes are robots.

My name? Jones... Enema Bag Jones. Wii.
#69 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:05:50
SEE IT!!!!

#70 by G-Man
2008-02-22 08:06:03
BobJustBob said in #58:
So what are you up to these days, G-Man? You never talk about yourself.

Huh? Oh, I see your plan. Yes, let us combine forces in taking over the sports thread.

Nothing much. Still working the same job. I recently moved though - nothing so drastic as you - just a few blocks away into a nicer apartment. I have been playing a lot of indie games lately as you may have observed. I am planning a vacation in a few months (not sure where to go yet), and then I have a trip to Montana coming up for a friend's wedding. Gonna go to Yellowstone Park for a few days while I am in the area.
#71 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:06:57
Yup. Personally, it's much more meaningful to observe things with your own eyes than by breaking down box scores. I don't want to watch a game with a stat sheet and a calculator by my side.
#72 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 08:07:02
Speaking of sports, my brother is supposed to come over this weekend and we were going to the new Prudential arena to watch the Devils and Islanders, but now it looks like we're going to get out first snow storm of the year. I suppose my wife and I can take the train, but fucking figures that the weather will fuck things up.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#73 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:07:39
I thought you were going on a safari, LawyerBoy?
#74 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 08:08:36
I don't want to watch a game with a stat sheet and a calculator by my side.

One time I went to a Giants game and some guy in the row in front of us had a bunch of stat sheets with all the players info. I never saw that before.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#75 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:09:19
Hey, I don't have a problem with it, I just don't do it that way.
#76 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:10:02
Yup. Personally, it's much more meaningful to observe things with your own eyes than by breaking down box scores. I don't want to watch a game with a stat sheet and a calculator by my side.

You're just trolling me into calling you a fucking fool now.

#77 by G-Man
2008-02-22 08:10:43
Whoa. That arena in Newark is finally finished? I guess I haven't been to Newark in a few months. I only ever go to NJ if I have a court date there that I can't get out of. I was actually in Jersey City this morning for an arbitration.
#78 by G-Man
2008-02-22 08:11:43
yotsuya said in #73:
I thought you were going on a safari, LawyerBoy?

That was Cheesy.
#79 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:11:51
I'm not fucking trolling you, you damn pussy. Grow some balls and stop crying.
#80 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:12:28
G-

No, I remember you reading Cheesy's recap and stating it was something you might be interested in.
#81 by lwf
2008-02-22 08:12:55
Hey does anybody want to meet in Vegas again? I am going to be there the first week of May. 4-6 I believe. We're going to drink, play cards, and shoot ak47s.

My name? Jones... Enema Bag Jones. Wii.
#82 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:13:46
I'm not fucking trolling you, you damn pussy. Grow some balls and stop crying.

Ok, fine.

You're an ignorant fucking religious slob, you don't know anything about math or science and you suck your way through existence doing whatever authority figures tell you is best.

#83 by CheesyPoof
2008-02-22 08:14:50
Yes, the arena is finished. I think it opened in November. They light it up like a mother fucking Christmas tree When I was coming back to Newark from St. Louis you could see it from the airplane easy.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#84 by BobJustBob
2008-02-22 08:14:51
Huh? Oh, I see your plan. Yes, let us combine forces in taking over the sports thread.


Nothing gets by you.

So you're still renting? I figured you'd be in a condo by now. And I've always wanted to go to Yellowstone; I really should see it before it kerplodes.

"I don't like story in games." - Soren Johnson
#85 by lwf
2008-02-22 08:15:46
Tonight, somebody will be leaving forever.

My name? Jones... Enema Bag Jones. Wii.
#86 by Dingle
2008-02-22 08:16:08
mylifesazoo@gmail.com
Yeah, go ahead and fucking bitch about who killed who, but all these "GIANTS" you talk about, did they ever get the ball? Did they? Can you name ONE instant when they got the ball away from the guy?

I THOUGHT SO.

HAHAHahAHahah
#87 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:16:34
#1. I'm not particularly religious, as I think other can attest.

#2. I majored in English Education and not Engineering for a reason. A shame, too, because initially I wanted to be one.

#3. I don't recall any authority figures telling me to do anything in particular. Details?
#88 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:17:35
Also, I don't know what's up your ass tonight, but I hope whatever it is crawls out.
#89 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:20:47
Yot, you're arguing FOR anecdotalism AGAINST statistical scientific blindness... I mean, what other names do you want me to call you?

#90 by Dingle
2008-02-22 08:22:51
mylifesazoo@gmail.com
I had an anecdotalism once, but I put Neosporin on it. It was weird, cuz the next morning it was half the size, and I thought, "Good Gawd, if a $2.99 tube of Neosporin can cure this shit, how important is it anyway?"
#91 by yotsuya
2008-02-22 08:25:30
IT'S A FUCKING SPORTING EVENT.

C'mon, McBain, you know you're my homie, but we're talking about people with distictive personalities, quirks and foibles interacting playing a game. Those other factors can and do have an effect on performance.

This is the best article I've read on the whole Marion trade, and it comes from a Miami writer. Marion might have some great numbers, but something's not right there.
#92 by McBain
2008-02-22 08:26:57
Yot, no, as much as I'd still love to have dinner with you and drink beer with you, we're arguing about something much more philosophical than that.

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